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Friday, November 25, 2011
Sharad Pawar and One Tight Slap
Abhinav Gupta
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Someone slaps Pawar. People are ecstatic (shocking to me). Anna says just 1 slap? People laugh. I am disgusted. Is this the way we want to solve problems? Are we also going to sink to their level? What's the next step? RDB style shootout?
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Yesterday at 1:08pm
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Aditya Ranganath
Disgusting response? Yes. But somewhere many feel that he deserved it. But this response by Anna and his actions of flogging people who drink alcohol show he is no Gandhi.. not even close to it. Time to stop worship and slapping these leaders.. they are no good
Yesterday at 1:13pm
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Abhinav Gupta
Ranga, Anna was taken way out of context in that flogging alcoholists interview. Way out of context! That is how a small knit community works. And it works well. And nobody has to be a Gandhi to effect change man!
Yesterday at 1:15pm
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I am not saying one shud be Gandhi to affect change.. but showing him as next Gandhi and saying that is why whatever he does is right is what is irritating. And the alcoholic thing was not out of context.. it happened in the village where he is promoting change.. if we condemn slapping an inefficient minister then how can we support flogging people who drink?
Yesterday at 1:18pm
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Abhinav Gupta
Don't use the word flogging. He didn't use it. The media used that word. And whatever 'beating' is being done is the final stage of a long drawn effort to cure an alcoholist. Many things are tried before that, like making the person take a vow in a temple (I forgot the rest). And the purpose is not beating, the intention is to cause social shame, which is what acts as the cure. The media, obviously, put a different spin to the story.
And then Anna never claimed to be the next Gandhi..! The people around him might have, but he didn't..!!
Yesterday at 1:22pm
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Aditya Ranganath
i have a problem with people around him only.. not him :) ... whether it is flogging or beating.. whether it is first step or last step.. the fact that we accept it and celebrate it as a cure to a social problem which is administered by people who are neither experts in the domain nor qualified is nothing but making a mockery of the democratic system we have or want to have. If that is the case, Pawar also deserves a slap for making common man's life hell directly or indirectly. There cant be two ways to look at same kind of thing.
Yesterday at 1:27pm
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Abhinav Gupta
OK. Maybe I am wrong. Chal compare karte hai. Shuru se. All bias removed.
Pawar ek minister hai. Theekh hai jee. Humne hi elect kiya. OK. Does that mean we should show some respect to him? Well, if he is bungling our money, then why should we? I agree. Usko theekh karna hai? Nahi yaar, theekh karna mushkil hai, saza do ulta. Saza janta de ya adaalat? Sahi prashn. Janta ka hak hai uspe? Haan hai. Humaare paise se khel raha hai. To janta hi prosecute kare kya? Now, here I am stuck. No answers.
Now Anna's village and the beating thing.
Ye log kaun hai. Humaare hi samaaj ke log hai. Kya gunah kiya? Peete hai? To kya hua? Usse kai zyaada pareshaniyan judi hai, aur hum nahi chahte ki wo peeye? Achcha ji, majority ne faisla kiya hai. And largely sel-sufficient and self-contained gaaon hai. To decision le sakta hai? Tough one. I don't know. Is social good coming out of this decision? If social good is what we understand today, then yes, but I question the very basis of social good. Is there any social good?
OK. Assume, the village community can take that decision. Real world. Aisa hi hota hai. OK. To kya karna hai? Apne hi log hai. Theekh karna hai, sahi raah pe lana hai. Achcha to kya kare? Kasam dilwate hai bhagwaan ke saamne. Jhoothi khaayi, abhi bhi pe raha hai. AB ek hi chaara hai. Shame him in front of the village? Is that correct? If you agree with social good, then yes. But he still drinks. OK, can we beat him now?
The question comes - are you beating him so that it hurts him or so that he is ashamed? And second, are you beating him because you are angry at him or you want to put him on the 'right' path? And that is the difference in the two cases, IMO.
We are taking out our anger at Pawar. And the villagers hit this alcoholist (not flog, there is a BIG difference) because they want to correct him. Same things which parents do with their kids. And I am a supporter of parents knocking some sense into their children by reprimanding and hitting gently. Negative reinforcement, that is all.
Iske aage I can not think.
Yesterday at 1:41pm
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Aditya Ranganath
It is simple, when we start to defend violence at minimal level, we open doors to people who promote it as the alternative to every damn thing. Tomorrow someone will say we should cut hands of thieves who steal repeatedly. When will it end. This is how all violent histories of nations started be it Afghanistan or Germany wherever. Whether it is first or last action, whether it to bring shame or inflict pain, beating/flogging can never be supported even if my argument may sound exaggerated.
Yesterday at 1:45pm
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Abhinav Gupta
Dekho, baat to tumhaari sahi hai. The means matter, not the intention or the end, to most people. And dono baato pe alag stand lena thoda double standards lag raha hai mujhe. Haan, you are exaggerating quite a bit here, but the basic point is correct.
I do care about the intention though, and if a strong system exists to keep the intentions intact (something which did not happen with the Maoists, for example), then Anna's funda works for me. But then, it is pretty tough to do that successfully. So for me, it boils down to the continuity of the thought process then, which is something Gandhi achieved with remarkable success, and Anna should strive to achieve too..!
Yesterday at 2:02pm
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Ishan Choudhury
This discussion should be rather on 3rd floor of Unnees rather than on facebook. Kya yaar
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Ganesh Pawar
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Aditya Ranganath
lol.. it would have been the case if tiny was here.. :)
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Ganesh Pawar
That was disgusting man and a very kiddish comment from Anna.. equally disgusting was the coverage of it by some TV channel ... this everything sucks big time ... Respect for Pawar for his mature comments n no respect for his party for Pune Bandh
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